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Humbug to the Dover Express!
Once again we seemed to have furnished almost the entire contents of the Dubris Column and once again without them saying where they got any of the gems. They have used two columns to make direct quotes from our Doverforum frontpage distinctly giving the impression they were at the flag raising event for Armed Forces Day, when they were clearly not.
They have gone on to quote my " a man of outdoor appearance who may or may not have the look of an imbiber" line under.." one observer said". This was when I referred to the one member of the public who turned up. Then they have quoted Howard re his " Sue was well and truly rogered" line from Comments....and all this under the guise of overheard at the event kind of thing. This is not so general public, they lifted it all off here without a credit as to where they are getting the stuff.
The last time I looked I didnt have a contract to write for the Dover Express. Using our stuff is only acceptable if they credit the source. Otherwise leave our content alone guys.... get your own quotes. One is not amused.
On the other hand YOUR DOVER used our thread/feature about the wheelie bins but credited where they got it
which gets a thumbsup.PB
The picture shows Sue Nicholas being escorted by the two Rogers, Roger Walkden and Roger Frayne, so as was said by Howard in the Comments section, "she was well and truly rogered". A tad rude its true but taken in good spirits hopefully.
Seafrance Not Amused:
You will not be surprised to hear that Seafrance were regally 'not amused' by the item below with the unfortunate pictures, which as you can see shows one of their splendid ships spewing forth in a rather big way. This response is of course very understandable in these hugely 'green' conscious times. They were also unhappy at the LD Lines press release which you can see amongst the comments below. So they have contacted me through their PR wing to correct any false impression that these items may give. As a responsible company they take these things very seriously, so in the interests of fairness and balance and without further ado, I will add a section of their email to me, which they have cleared for publication.....PB Comments below from Sara Whines, Seafrance Public Relations Manager......
"
Firstly, with regards to Dover's beaches, SeaFrance takes its responsibility very seriously. It sponsors the Marine Conservation Society and has raised over £230,000 for them. Its staff are also regularly involved in the beach cleaning project at Kingsdown Beach and are really keen to do their bit. It therefore seems a little unfair to put up a photo of the SeaFrance Rodin and not make mention of this.
You have also posted a very misleading LD Lines press release as a comment. The CFDT is not a SeaFrance union - it is a general French worker's union and has members from all kinds of companies (just like the RMT here) who participated in the protest. SeaFrance does not in any way condone the actions of the CFDT union.
" end.
Just a further note from myself PB..the LD Lines press release was published in the 'comments' rather than the 'editorial' because I felt the item would need to be counterbalanced in the interest of fairness...so not having the staff or manpower to always do this, it was felt placing it amongst the comments in this case was the fairest option.
Beach Cleaner 8am June 30: Yes indeed here we have it...conclusive proof that the beach does indeed get cleaned. This little man and his sack was down on that section of beach nearest the docks this very morning, and doing his duty in fine style . It's a sad tale isnt it though. Once that great mass of unwashed citizenry moves inland after a day on the beach, vast quantities of coke bottles, KFC chipwrappings, crisp packets and so on ad infinitum, are left to fester and ferment away in the blazing heat of a hot tropical summer here in downtown Dover. Not a pretty sight as you can imagine. And of course the seagulls make it even worse. But of course the cleanliness thing is hard to keep on top of, as no one at all pays much attention to the proliferation of litter bins. Seafrance Spews Forth!

Remember good citizens of Dover, dont go breathing now will you, not down along the seafront anyway. As we already seem to have the second worst beach in the UK, according to a recent poll, these glorious images wont help matters, as they show the raw unadulterated ungodly emmission coming from the very new Seafrance Rodin...this is not to be sniffed at, in fact not to be sniffed at or whiffed inwards at all, not in any way shape or form, not if you know whats good for your lungs.
So while you lie there on the second worst beach in the UK, dont whatever you do...breathe.
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Humbug to the Dover Express!
Once again we seemed to have furnished almost the entire contents of the Dubris Column and once again without them saying where they got any of the gems. They have used two columns to make direct quotes from our Doverforum frontpage distinctly giving the impression they were at the flag raising event for Armed Forces Day, when they were clearly not.
They have gone on to quote my " a man of outdoor appearance who may or may not have the look of an imbiber" line under.." one observer said". This was when I referred to the one member of the public who turned up. Then they have quoted Howard re his " Sue was well and truly rogered" line from Comments....and all this under the guise of overheard at the event kind of thing. This is not so general public, they lifted it all off here without a credit as to where they are getting the stuff.
The last time I looked I didnt have a contract to write for the Dover Express. Using our stuff is only acceptable if they credit the source. Otherwise leave our content alone guys.... get your own quotes. One is not amused.
On the other hand YOUR DOVER used our thread/feature about the wheelie bins but credited where they got it
which gets a thumbsup.PB
The picture shows Sue Nicholas being escorted by the two Rogers, Roger Walkden and Roger Frayne, so as was said by Howard in the Comments section, "she was well and truly rogered". A tad rude its true but taken in good spirits hopefully.

You will not be surprised to hear that Seafrance were regally 'not amused' by the item below with the unfortunate pictures, which as you can see shows one of their splendid ships spewing forth in a rather big way. This response is of course very understandable in these hugely 'green' conscious times. They were also unhappy at the LD Lines press release which you can see amongst the comments below. So they have contacted me through their PR wing to correct any false impression that these items may give. As a responsible company they take these things very seriously, so in the interests of fairness and balance and without further ado, I will add a section of their email to me, which they have cleared for publication.....PB
"
Firstly, with regards to Dover's beaches, SeaFrance takes its responsibility very seriously. It sponsors the Marine Conservation Society and has raised over £230,000 for them. Its staff are also regularly involved in the beach cleaning project at Kingsdown Beach and are really keen to do their bit. It therefore seems a little unfair to put up a photo of the SeaFrance Rodin and not make mention of this.
You have also posted a very misleading LD Lines press release as a comment. The CFDT is not a SeaFrance union - it is a general French worker's union and has members from all kinds of companies (just like the RMT here) who participated in the protest. SeaFrance does not in any way condone the actions of the CFDT union.
" end.
Just a further note from myself PB..the LD Lines press release was published in the 'comments' rather than the 'editorial' because I felt the item would need to be counterbalanced in the interest of fairness...so not having the staff or manpower to always do this, it was felt placing it amongst the comments in this case was the fairest option.




So while you lie there on the second worst beach in the UK, dont whatever you do...breathe.
We have had to switch the Comments off for the time being as there is a technical problem (of my own making alas) with the Open Pages. The Members Club is still fully functional.
3 July 2009 at 3:58 pm
3 July 2009 at 3:58 pm
Thanks Andy...but for the moment best not to put anything too weighty on here as Ive had a serious technical mishap which may or may not be retrievable. This is just a temp page. Panicking.
3 July 2009 at 12:37 pm
3 July 2009 at 12:37 pm
Paul
I understand your frustrations, I really do, but the truth is that journalism at a local level is lazy at best. Despite Roger Walkden's comment about not seeing quotes lifted from other forums very often, it has happened recently when stuff has been lifted from Dover Locals and appeared verbatim in Dubris (or is it Debris?!), but my overall feeling is that pragmatism has to be the watchword here: one lives in the knowledge that the local press are pushed by staffing and budgetary constraints and still have to fill their pages with local stuff.
With the odd release that I do for the Dover War Memorial Project, I know that if you don't accept that anything published will be lifted exactly as the press release was issued, it won't get in the papers at all - reporters simply don't have the time to research and interview as they once did. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the Dover Express, I'm merely saying that local forums are an easy way of any reporter finding local gossip quickly enough to fill columns such as Dubris.
I think that the criticism that PB is being 'precious' about DF is grossly unfair, an unworthy comment, and I'm sure that if the tables were turned, the poster who made that comment wouldn't feel the subject to be quite as black and white; protecting intellectual copyright is not being sniffy, it's about letting people know where proper boundaries should be defined. Living in this grotty world of ours, though, this form of silliness will inevitably happen and I'm afraid that it's something we may all have to live with.
3 July 2009 at 12:29 pm
I understand your frustrations, I really do, but the truth is that journalism at a local level is lazy at best. Despite Roger Walkden's comment about not seeing quotes lifted from other forums very often, it has happened recently when stuff has been lifted from Dover Locals and appeared verbatim in Dubris (or is it Debris?!), but my overall feeling is that pragmatism has to be the watchword here: one lives in the knowledge that the local press are pushed by staffing and budgetary constraints and still have to fill their pages with local stuff.
With the odd release that I do for the Dover War Memorial Project, I know that if you don't accept that anything published will be lifted exactly as the press release was issued, it won't get in the papers at all - reporters simply don't have the time to research and interview as they once did. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the Dover Express, I'm merely saying that local forums are an easy way of any reporter finding local gossip quickly enough to fill columns such as Dubris.
I think that the criticism that PB is being 'precious' about DF is grossly unfair, an unworthy comment, and I'm sure that if the tables were turned, the poster who made that comment wouldn't feel the subject to be quite as black and white; protecting intellectual copyright is not being sniffy, it's about letting people know where proper boundaries should be defined. Living in this grotty world of ours, though, this form of silliness will inevitably happen and I'm afraid that it's something we may all have to live with.
3 July 2009 at 12:29 pm
Temporary Error.
3 July 2009 at 12:12 pm
3 July 2009 at 12:12 pm

